tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post7819306257791207445..comments2024-03-09T08:49:50.735+05:30Comments on Discovering Mughal, Rajput & Mauryan History: Salim got violently enamoured to marry & Akbar gave in.!Abhayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06797421588360034980noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-74271011733065582692015-01-15T17:29:06.904+05:302015-01-15T17:29:06.904+05:30Thanks for your wishes Katana & wish the same ...Thanks for your wishes Katana & wish the same to you as well. :)<br />The question who have asked is a bit difficult to answer. Some sources claim Salim and Nur Jahan met before Nur was married to Sher Afghan in 1590's. Some claim it was after death of Akbar. The accounts are really blurred so as to conclude anything. I will be making a post on this. Till then, i have given the answer. :)Abhayhttp://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-82243424814059438002015-01-14T17:53:24.992+05:302015-01-14T17:53:24.992+05:30Good Post Abhay. When did Nur entered akbar '...Good Post Abhay. When did Nur entered akbar 's court. When salim - Nur met for the first time. <br />Happy Pongal To All.katana *noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-61730074538979809602015-01-12T13:42:32.631+05:302015-01-12T13:42:32.631+05:30Ok. I got it now. :)
About North Indian communiti...Ok. I got it now. :)<br /><br />About North Indian communities, i have not seen marriages among cousins, whether bro-sis or bro-bro or sis-sis children. Though, Some exceptions are there, but in majority communities it does not happen at present.Abhayhttp://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-75926792887968668152015-01-12T12:48:41.868+05:302015-01-12T12:48:41.868+05:30I agree with Iqra. Akbar's reason fr opposing ...I agree with Iqra. Akbar's reason fr opposing the marriage might not be connected to Cousin angle but may hv some personal touch.May be his own experience or may be totally different reason.!geetanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-81091949614048509512015-01-12T12:17:05.658+05:302015-01-12T12:17:05.658+05:30Oh !!! Thanks for the info :)
That was regarding ...Oh !!! Thanks for the info :) <br />That was regarding cousin Marriage Abhay ... I meant , bro-bro n sis-sis children from paternal n maternal sides r usually brothers and sisters , when compared to bro-sis children who r considerably married according to traditions in most of the place in S.India ... I think , Radhika di said it Aptly !!! But i dont know , whether they practice it now in suganya sugvishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-24257488340929403302015-01-10T20:06:11.515+05:302015-01-10T20:06:11.515+05:30Suganya,
Salim got married to Nur in 1611, as Radh...Suganya,<br />Salim got married to Nur in 1611, as Radhika said above. And this marriage happened in 1596. :)<br />By the way, i did not understand your mention about bro-bro and sis-sis type cousins.?. Can you plz explain it. :)Abhayhttp://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-80524324704393891382015-01-09T21:58:36.102+05:302015-01-09T21:58:36.102+05:30yeah i knew wat u said di ... That's Exactly ...yeah i knew wat u said di ... That's Exactly wat i wanted to deliver too , About akbar not following din-e-ilahi SERIOUSLY - " it should have been this matter( i meant bro-sis fact of lineage) " becoz of which he accepted for the marriage of maan bai to salim :) I have this hunch that this practice was followed in whole India , unlike wat u said particular abt S.Indian communitiessuganya sugvishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-33193235819507655372015-01-09T20:25:24.796+05:302015-01-09T20:25:24.796+05:30sav n radhika - sorry 4 late reply. u r having ver...sav n radhika - sorry 4 late reply. u r having very gud discussion. in islam cousin marriages r common n thought pious. they can marry. now opinion iz changing in some societies.Iqra Khannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-58549058486695687272015-01-09T19:18:00.955+05:302015-01-09T19:18:00.955+05:30Suganya
Like I said in an earlier comment, child...Suganya<br /><br /><br />Like I said in an earlier comment, children of 2 brothers or 2 sisters can also marry in muslims. :) Akbar was married to Ruqaiyya and there are countless such examples in the Mughals in almost every generation.Radhikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-6273097553492182192015-01-09T19:15:53.900+05:302015-01-09T19:15:53.900+05:30Suganya
It's only in S. Indian communities t...Suganya<br /><br /><br />It's only in S. Indian communities that children of 2 brothers or 2 sisters are considered equivalent to brothers / sisters. And the children of a brother and a sister are not considered to be brother / sister. <br /><br /><br />Generally, in English, cousins are children of any 2 siblings. <br /><br /><br />In Muslims, children of any set of siblings can marry each Radhikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-70110629609598639262015-01-09T19:12:01.670+05:302015-01-09T19:12:01.670+05:30Suganya
This marriage happened in 1596. (Date is...Suganya<br /><br /><br />This marriage happened in 1596. (Date is given in post. :) ) Much before Noor came into his life. :)Radhikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-62703097789550686272015-01-09T17:40:13.187+05:302015-01-09T17:40:13.187+05:30But Bhagwant DAs n MUZ were bro n sis na , so the ...But Bhagwant DAs n MUZ were bro n sis na , so the Marriage of SAlim n Maan cant be considered as the marriage of cousins ... AS for the case , it still happens in India i guess !!! May be the term 'cousins ' is used all the brother sister relations in ENG but usually it would be apt when used to bro-bro n sis-sis duo's , where they r considered to be brother n sisters unlike bro suganya sugvishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-72063749471474394732015-01-09T17:31:00.744+05:302015-01-09T17:31:00.744+05:30Abhay good post yaar !!! Salim is such a persom wh...Abhay good post yaar !!! Salim is such a persom who fell in love with all women who looks good to him it seems :P Regardless , his charc noted as a Ardent lover from the times of MEA ... And , is this marriage was done before Noor came into his life or after ??? Sorry that i m confused with years :Ssuganya sugvishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-61323383092257186352015-01-09T17:27:54.665+05:302015-01-09T17:27:54.665+05:30Hey SAmmy , The thing is SAlim was the only one bo...Hey SAmmy , The thing is SAlim was the only one born with the heart as per serial :P <br />And it's a usual thing to marry btw both paternal n maternal sides , if in case the people getting married should have bro-sis duo from either mom or dad's side and not bro-bro n sis-sis duo as far as Islam traditions are considered ...suganya sugvishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-27487792002313194892015-01-08T15:08:47.631+05:302015-01-08T15:08:47.631+05:30Radhika, it seems like Akbar's views about mar...Radhika, it seems like Akbar's views about marriage with close relations (except in case of Man bai) were restricted to Akbar himself. Not even the rest of his family. Just like his religion din-e-illahi, this particular died with him. Now, i don't know whether this clause was part of din-e-illahi or not. Looking forward to Iqra's views :)SavTruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-79280591203854335982015-01-08T12:45:45.394+05:302015-01-08T12:45:45.394+05:30Sav,
Abu'l Fazl's account has been writen...Sav,<br /><br />Abu'l Fazl's account has been writen keeping in view Akbar as the centre of every thing. When we compare his account with Badayuni's writings, we find certain differences. <br /><br />Like, Badayuni says Akbar stopped eating beef due to influence of his Rajput wives, but Abul Fazl does not mentions anything like that. :)<br /><br />Well yes, about the views on Akbar Abhayhttp://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-72191751396792906612015-01-08T09:41:35.190+05:302015-01-08T09:41:35.190+05:30Your comment is not at all offending, Sav. This is...Your comment is not at all offending, Sav. This is a discussion, after all, and it's good to look at any issue from ALL angles. <br /><br /><br />You have a valid point - as mentioned by you in the last para. <br /><br /><br />The issue here is whether this was just a personal viewpoint of Akbar in this specific case or a part of his ideology, which formed the basis of his din-i-ilahi. Radhikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-28887439029649328662015-01-08T01:16:35.311+05:302015-01-08T01:16:35.311+05:30Man bai was his maternal first cousin and could be...Man bai was his maternal first cousin and could be married to Salim with all propriety, atleast in eyes of Akbar. And we have already have had a discussion on appropriateness of Salim's marriage to Man Singh's granddaughter. Man Singh disproved of it and the princess was a widow. <br /><br />The harem was a each-for-his-own kind of place especially when it came to garnering a husband'SavTruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-83809670036534382192015-01-08T01:16:33.300+05:302015-01-08T01:16:33.300+05:30Sav,
You can be right. Though I really don't...Sav,<br /><br /><br />You can be right. Though I really don't know how much propriety was followed in those days. Consider that Salim married Man Bai and also Man Singh's granddaughter. Which is much worse than marrying a saali, if we look at that way. <br /><br /><br />By taking sides, I meant that since both are sisters, whose side can Salim or Akbar take if the two sisters fight for Radhikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-64991948552853081332015-01-07T19:03:35.958+05:302015-01-07T19:03:35.958+05:30Sav, Radhika and other readers...I agree with your...Sav, Radhika and other readers...I agree with your theory, which is also supported by written chronicles, as i mentioned about Badayuni's reasoning on ban on such marriages above. <br />Will get back to other comments soon. :)Abhayhttp://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-62114455175166605772015-01-07T18:53:17.412+05:302015-01-07T18:53:17.412+05:30Yup, read about Radhika's clauses of relations...Yup, read about Radhika's clauses of relations getting awkward. And i agree with it. But not about taking sides as women come from the same family.<br /><br />I was more thinking on the lines of jija-saali (sister-in-law) angle. Sexual relations establishes between jija-saali, devar-bhabhi are frowned upon even today and termed extremely inappropriate. Just like Akbar initially viewed Salim&#SavTruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-13049074511946144372015-01-07T18:50:58.972+05:302015-01-07T18:50:58.972+05:30All the deduction points towards the inevitable: n...All the deduction points towards the inevitable: non-existence of Akbar and Ruqaiya love story. But media seems convinced otherwise despite lack of proof supporting it.<br /><br />Abhay, you have always said Abul Fazl used cryptic language and described the most disturbing of events in the calmest possible manner. Does his quoting of Akbar so eloquently give an indication of Akbar's relation SavTruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-25161807157068916722015-01-07T15:22:42.518+05:302015-01-07T15:22:42.518+05:30Hi Sav,
As usual, logical points. Radhika also poi...Hi Sav,<br />As usual, logical points. Radhika also pointed out some clauses. :) <br />But, Akbarnama gives the reason as ban on "cousin marriages". That's why we all are in a fix and debating the reasons possible. ;-PAbhayhttp://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-30113196428931025462015-01-07T14:52:34.076+05:302015-01-07T14:52:34.076+05:30You are right Sav. !
I also did not get anything ...You are right Sav. !<br /><br />I also did not get anything to suggest that Akbar knew about genetic problems/medical problems of close cousin marriages. Also, you rightly pointed out that such marriages continued even after Akbar's reign. <br /><br />And, i do agree with your last paragraph, because <br /><br /><b>a.</b> Akbar will proclaiming the law barring marriage with girls below Abhayhttp://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4026714605465516937.post-92102501946748810642015-01-07T12:10:40.935+05:302015-01-07T12:10:40.935+05:30If Mughals knew about the medical issues which fol...If Mughals knew about the medical issues which followed close-cousin marriages, then this practice would have been abhorred. But as we know from future marriages in Mughal household, such weddings resumed with much vigor after Akbar's demise. One of the first such being marriage of Salim's son Parvez with Murad's (Salim's brother) daughter at the MUZ palace. So, this idea was SavTruthnoreply@blogger.com